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  Compilation of the bible and the NWT translation source.

  by trailerfitter in

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  hi,, i have a curious question about when the bible was actually compiled.

  from what i understand it was actually compiled under emperor constantines request in the 4th century ad.

  this was the nicene creed.. i also am aware that there quite a few books that were considered for inclusion but weren't.

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  Bungi Bill

  Certainly, the academic credentials of the NWT Translation Committee are unimpressive! However, most of its controversial renderings are more to do with doctrinal bias, rather than linguistic incompetence (see Samuel Haas, as quoted above):

  - In other words, F.W. Franz & Co. got it largely right, despite themselves!

  This, though, is not peculiar to just the New World Translation. To a greater or lesser degree, doctrinal bias influences the rendering of certain bible texts in practically all translations of the scriptures. (For example, the Catholic Church's Jerusalem Bible places an extra slant on the bible texts that deal with the roles entrusted to Peter).

  When using any translation of the Bible, caution needs to be exercised - keeping in mind both what texts it was translated from, and what doctrinal background its translators had.

  Bill.
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  Sept. 15th WT - Burdened with Earning a Living? Here! Have MORE Burdens !

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as if the other sept. 15th wt thread i started weren't controlling enough - in another study article titled " run ..... that you may attain it " were you aware that just eating and wearing clothes on your body - might be a " stumbling block " to you ?

  in a prior article on pg.

  12 , paragraph 6 the wt society sets up what they are trying to get across by stating, " people of the world tend to seek personal interests first as " men of this system of things, whose share is this life.

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  Bungi Bill

  During my formative years, I was an avid reader of everything that this lot printed - unfortunately.

  Now, reading this extract from the Sept 15th WT serves as a reminder as to why so much of my life has been ####ed-up! (Naughty word that rhymes with "truck").

  Also, a double standard becomes evident here. They go on about the virtues (even necessity?) of having nothing materially - yet when there is a kingdom hall to be built, still expect the R&F to come up with the money to pay for it.

  Bill.
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  Another 1975 coming soon

  by fade_away in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i heard some analysts on the news recently saying that at the rate the us is falling and china rising, it is expected that china will be the super power within the next 30 or 40 years.

  if that happens then i guess there will be another mass exodus of jws from the wt despite what new light they come up with.

  but if the witlesses are right then that means god must intervene and the great tribulation and armageddon is coming in less than 30 or 40 years.

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  Bungi Bill

  Jaguarbass,

  I concur 100%!

  Bill.
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  "All Scripture is inspired of God and Beneficial" .....

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  did you just take that scripture at face value ?

  beleiving it to be so ?.

  was" all scripture is inspired by god" written down at that one time ?

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  Bungi Bill

  There were differences in translation between the Septuagint version and the Hebrew text. Once such difference is in the translation of Jeremiah, Chapter 25.

  In the Hebrew text, Judah is listed as only one of a number of Middle Eastern countries in servitude to Babylon. According to the Septuagint version, however, you would get the idea that Judah alone was placed in servitude - thus helping the WTS stand that the "seventy years" meant something other than just mere servitude.

  Bill.
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  Is There ANY Religion That You Would Feel Comfortable Being A Member Of?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that most of us here despise the witness religion.

  are you soured on all all religions?.

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  Bungi Bill

  While I always keep an open mind to such matters, I have seen nothing yet to dispell my extreme distrust of religion in any of its forms.

  Bill.
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  The J Dub Culture of Skirt-Wearing

  by mummatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is something that has always bothered me.

  as a born-in jw i was raised as a little girl wearing skirts and dresses which is clearly quite normal in terms of gender-appropriate clothing.

  however, the older i grew, the more i realised that all jw women and girls wore skirts to meetings and when out in fs, but would wear trousers in their everyday life.

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  Bungi Bill

  I can recall back about 1980 mention being made of this matter at the District Convention.

  They phrased it as "what the community considers to be appropriate dress for wearing to church." Some supposed "fashion consultant" ( a person that I had never heard of before or since) was quoted as saying "pants suits are inappropriate for wearing in church." As if she was the Final Word!

  I thought to myself at the time "You ought to see what comes and goes from the local Baptist Chruch down the road from our street!"

  When, in the mid-1970s, a series of Watchtower articles came about how ones conscience alone should be the deciding matter as to choice of dress and grooming, some Australian congregations did allow women to wear pants suits. After a few years, though, the WTS seemed to feel that they were losing control over the R&F, and even those congrgations re-imposed the WTS Tulmud.

  And yet, the JWs have the nerve to lambast "Christendom" for enforcing their own traditions!

  Bill.
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  CO begging for more MS's

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the co is at my husbands hall this week so i tied in to the meeting he was going on and on about how there are 140 elders in the circuit and only 80 something ms's.

  of the elders 25 are over 75 years old.

  of the ms's it was about 20 are over 75 years old.

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  What a contrast to how it was in 1980s, when it seemed like all the brothers were clambering over each other to be appointed!

  As to the stock market plunge being a dead-sure sign that "the end is just around the corner", I can recall 40 years ago being told almost the same thing; i.e. "the monetary system is only just holding together, and is about to go anytime now" - as was "This System".

  Really something to get excited about!

  Bill.
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  How do you make a living?

  by paulnotsaul in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  since most of us believed it was right around the corner, how many of you went to any secondary schools or training?

  what do you do now to survive?

  are you working or unemployed?

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  Bungi Bill

  Industrial electrician.

  During the last ten years, I worked for a time as a Power Station Superintendent, and prior to that was Manager of an Electrical Supply Company (although, with my limited qualifications, I had to go to a Third World country in order to be considered for such a role).

  These days, I am back on the tools - and thoroughly enjoying being there (the B/S that goes on in the office no longer holds much appeal to me!)

  Bill.
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  "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over."

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  (numbers 5:23-28) 23 and the priest must write these cursings in the book and must wipe them out into the bitter water.

  24 and he must make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and the water that brings a curse must enter into her as something bitter.

  25 and the priest must take the grain offering of jealousy from the womans hand and wave the grain offering to and fro before jehovah, and he must bring it near the altar.

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  "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot" - I like it!

  Bill.
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  Women and Pants

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm still amazed that the wtbts still don't allow women to wear pants to meetings etc.

  is this a disfellowshipping offense?.

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  Bungi Bill

  WontLeave,

  I am speaking from personal experience, having been a member of that congregation during those years. As one of the ministerial servants there, I, too, had a full beard.

  The crackdown started in 1981, when - for the coming District Convention - brothers volunteering to be attendants were informed "no beards allowed." After that, much must have been said in private to the various Bodies of Eelders by the Circuit Overseers. Certainly, immediately following each CO's visit, the elders seemed to have a lot to say about "when those articles came out about conscience" - and how "publishers thought that they could do what they liked".

  This seemed to co-incide with when the WTS started making abig thing about "The Organisation."

  Bill.